I don't know what more I can add to this post. Everything is clearly set out. What's more, it's an honest analysis based on an objective reading of the events that have plagued this part of the world for 75 years. As far as the 'solution' to this programmed madness, this premeditated tragedy, is concerned, a single state seems to me to be the only answer if these peoples, so close culturally and religiously, are to live side by side, if not together. To achieve this, the hatemongers would have to be put out of their misery, whatever group they belong to. Utopia? Perhaps it is. But to think that the solution would be an option is in itself illusory when you consider the deliberate and criminal fragmentation of the West Bank. From the river to the sea, yes, but with the determination of people of goodwill and the resolute support of the international community.
Thank you for you comment. As usual, we are in almost complete agreement. To recapitulate: sadly, there will be no single-state solution and the two-state solution has been irrrevocably subverted and overturned. Therefore, disaster is the only possible outcome.
I agree that publicly-funded education is essential, not only for the basic skills but for the study of civics. And, of course, the children of immigrants were and still are quickly assimilated into dominant American culture because of the schools. The challenges associated with the arrival of a large number of immigrants are very real. In many parts of the U.S. we already have thousands of people homeless and our social welfare services struggling to meet the need. And, then, there is the challenge of pluralism versus multiculturalism described by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.
Thanks as always for your thoughts, Ed. My general orientation to immigration issues is to strongly favor authentic political asylum while having grave reservations about economic immigration. I would support strict quotas on the latter with qualifying stipulations (needed skills and/or education), mindful that the latter tends to be used in an effort to keep wages/benefits low and workers cowed and docile. On these and other matters,
I wonder whether all of the people here in the U.S. who are protesting against the human rights violations of the Palestinian people support large-scale immigration to the U.S. not only of Palestinians but of all of the people around the globe who face violence against them every day. As I have said before, we humans continue to be tribal in our acceptance of others. We use many tools (e.g., public school education) to guard against dilution of our cultural norms.
Thanks for your note, Ed. I would imagine that most antiwar and anti-Zionism protesters support immigration and asylum. It is precisely the war-monger Zionists (Jew and Christian) who would have us refuse them. Tribalism is indeed one of the roots of the folly and disaster we are experiencing. But I would turn your last claim around 180 degrees. There is a difference between liberty and license. The former requires government, law, and a principled citizenry. The latter leads to mayhem and destruction. As Paine wrote: "...were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other law-giver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expence and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others." And it follows, too, that public schools and universal, secular, and compulsory public education are absolutely necessary for the education of the populace to the rights and duties -- because rights are duties by reciprocity -- of citizenship. it's my view that we suffer NOT from an excess of public education, but from a dearth of it.
Personally, I don’t believe that the Palestinian people can or should live in a shared relationship with their oppressors; restore Palestine as a whole and separate entity. From the river to the sea.
The similarities to the American expansion westward hasn’t escaped me.
I once lived in the Midwood section of Brooklyn. It was even more ethnically diverse than Manhattan. I rented the driveway from Jake across the street. He and his wife were Orthodox baby-makers. His five year old Yisroel, Sruly, we called him, would occasionally stand at the head of the driveway with his hands on his hips, payos hanging as I asked him to please move, defiant redhead looked up at me and said, “I don’t have to.” Jake moved his brood of eight to Izrael.
One day during my morning run I stopped to say hello to a couple of children. They asked if I was Jewish. When I said no, “ewww” they ran into their house. You cannot reason with upbringing.
Maybe it’s my Sicilian blood, but I am in total empathy with the Palestinians.
Yesterday in NYC, an altercation between protesters, the cousin of the murdered Zionist rabbi, Mier Kahane, was arrested for assaulting with his vehicle two protesters.
Each recent day, d Trump is sitting in the same courtroom I attended dozens of times.
We’re living in volatile times, as you well know, amigo. Sometime soon the shit is gonna fly.
Appreciate your comment and your point of view, my friend. I think we are in agreement. Palestine SHOULD be returned to the Palestinians. And religious fanaticism is ugly and destructive from whatever source. I agree. But Israel has, by most estimates, over 200 thermonuclear devices with delivery -- thanks to the US and Jonathan Pollard. They will immolate the entire Middle East and the world rather than back down or give up their "Promised Land.". The merciless actions of the IDF in Gaza are a testimony to their blood-stained resolve. I wish you heath ahd safety.
I don't know what more I can add to this post. Everything is clearly set out. What's more, it's an honest analysis based on an objective reading of the events that have plagued this part of the world for 75 years. As far as the 'solution' to this programmed madness, this premeditated tragedy, is concerned, a single state seems to me to be the only answer if these peoples, so close culturally and religiously, are to live side by side, if not together. To achieve this, the hatemongers would have to be put out of their misery, whatever group they belong to. Utopia? Perhaps it is. But to think that the solution would be an option is in itself illusory when you consider the deliberate and criminal fragmentation of the West Bank. From the river to the sea, yes, but with the determination of people of goodwill and the resolute support of the international community.
Thank you for you comment. As usual, we are in almost complete agreement. To recapitulate: sadly, there will be no single-state solution and the two-state solution has been irrrevocably subverted and overturned. Therefore, disaster is the only possible outcome.
I agree that publicly-funded education is essential, not only for the basic skills but for the study of civics. And, of course, the children of immigrants were and still are quickly assimilated into dominant American culture because of the schools. The challenges associated with the arrival of a large number of immigrants are very real. In many parts of the U.S. we already have thousands of people homeless and our social welfare services struggling to meet the need. And, then, there is the challenge of pluralism versus multiculturalism described by Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.
Thanks as always for your thoughts, Ed. My general orientation to immigration issues is to strongly favor authentic political asylum while having grave reservations about economic immigration. I would support strict quotas on the latter with qualifying stipulations (needed skills and/or education), mindful that the latter tends to be used in an effort to keep wages/benefits low and workers cowed and docile. On these and other matters,
"We do not say we will not be converted,
but we do say, we must first be convinced."
- Gilbert Vale (1789-1866).
I wonder whether all of the people here in the U.S. who are protesting against the human rights violations of the Palestinian people support large-scale immigration to the U.S. not only of Palestinians but of all of the people around the globe who face violence against them every day. As I have said before, we humans continue to be tribal in our acceptance of others. We use many tools (e.g., public school education) to guard against dilution of our cultural norms.
Thanks for your note, Ed. I would imagine that most antiwar and anti-Zionism protesters support immigration and asylum. It is precisely the war-monger Zionists (Jew and Christian) who would have us refuse them. Tribalism is indeed one of the roots of the folly and disaster we are experiencing. But I would turn your last claim around 180 degrees. There is a difference between liberty and license. The former requires government, law, and a principled citizenry. The latter leads to mayhem and destruction. As Paine wrote: "...were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other law-giver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expence and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others." And it follows, too, that public schools and universal, secular, and compulsory public education are absolutely necessary for the education of the populace to the rights and duties -- because rights are duties by reciprocity -- of citizenship. it's my view that we suffer NOT from an excess of public education, but from a dearth of it.
Personally, I don’t believe that the Palestinian people can or should live in a shared relationship with their oppressors; restore Palestine as a whole and separate entity. From the river to the sea.
The similarities to the American expansion westward hasn’t escaped me.
I once lived in the Midwood section of Brooklyn. It was even more ethnically diverse than Manhattan. I rented the driveway from Jake across the street. He and his wife were Orthodox baby-makers. His five year old Yisroel, Sruly, we called him, would occasionally stand at the head of the driveway with his hands on his hips, payos hanging as I asked him to please move, defiant redhead looked up at me and said, “I don’t have to.” Jake moved his brood of eight to Izrael.
One day during my morning run I stopped to say hello to a couple of children. They asked if I was Jewish. When I said no, “ewww” they ran into their house. You cannot reason with upbringing.
Maybe it’s my Sicilian blood, but I am in total empathy with the Palestinians.
Yesterday in NYC, an altercation between protesters, the cousin of the murdered Zionist rabbi, Mier Kahane, was arrested for assaulting with his vehicle two protesters.
Each recent day, d Trump is sitting in the same courtroom I attended dozens of times.
We’re living in volatile times, as you well know, amigo. Sometime soon the shit is gonna fly.
I’m down here healing to be able for the fray.
Appreciate your comment and your point of view, my friend. I think we are in agreement. Palestine SHOULD be returned to the Palestinians. And religious fanaticism is ugly and destructive from whatever source. I agree. But Israel has, by most estimates, over 200 thermonuclear devices with delivery -- thanks to the US and Jonathan Pollard. They will immolate the entire Middle East and the world rather than back down or give up their "Promised Land.". The merciless actions of the IDF in Gaza are a testimony to their blood-stained resolve. I wish you heath ahd safety.